And Still We Rise
The "And Still We Rise" Podcast (formally known as The Ego Project), is hosted by mental health therapist and group practice owner, Cristine Seidell. It is a space where look deeper into our limiting beliefs or behavioral patterns, seek to understand our authentic self and find new and exciting ways to celebrate the radiance we are meant to bring into the word. Through unscripted and unedited conversations with thought-leaders, therapists, spiritualists, and creatives, And Still We Rise explores how childhood wounding and intentional healing impacts our lives.
And Still We Rise
Reinventing Your Authentic Self
Psychologist turned health coach Kristen Heck explores the concept of reinvention, revealing it's not just changing jobs or appearance but a fundamental shift in how we see ourselves and live our lives.
• Reinvention can happen at any age, not just during midlife
• True transformation begins with awareness of our automatic thought patterns
• Fear of failure and disappointing others often keeps us stuck
• Stillness and mindfulness help us connect with our authentic desires
• Visualization of our future self creates clarity about necessary changes
• Most changes aren't permanent—if something doesn't work, we can adjust
• Having both validating friends and those who challenge our thinking is crucial
• Social media and constant connectivity disconnect us from our true selves
• The process involves returning to authenticity rather than becoming someone new
Join us for part two where we'll discuss mindful embodiment and how to take inspired action toward becoming your authentic self.
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Hello and welcome to, and Still we Rise. I am your host, Christine Seidel, and today I have our guest, Kristen Heck. Welcome, Kristen. Thank you Lovely to have you. To get started, I would love to just read a little bit of your bio, if that's okay with you. It's okay with you.
Speaker 1:Kristen Heck is a licensed clinical psychologist turned certified health coach and fitness instructor, based in Beaufort, Georgia. With over a decade of experience specializing in women's health, body image and eating disorders in clinical and treatment settings, she now empowers women, especially those in midlife, with a unique blend of mental health and sustainable fitness and nutrition strategies. After transitioning into private coaching, Kristen created Healthy as Heck, a holistic lifestyle brand offering personalized health programs, menopause-focused coaching and private yoga sessions. Her credentials include a PsyD in clinical psychology, a certified health coach, certified menopause coaching specialist, precision nutrition level one, and she's a 200-hour registered yoga instructor. Driven by her passion of seeing women feel strong, balanced and confident, Kristen blends evidence-based mindset work with physical training to support long-term well-being, and she offers both virtual and in-person coaching sessions. Welcome, Kristen lens.
Speaker 2:Evidence-based mindset work with physical training to support long-term well-being, and she offers both virtual and in-person coaching sessions.
Speaker 1:Welcome, kristen, thank you, excited to be here. Long list of achievements, my goodness, I've been busy, you have been busy, you have been busy and I have to say you know, to our listeners and to our viewers, I've known Kristen us for several years and I always find her to be just like a wealth of knowledge. Even before this recording I'm I'm coming to her being like girl. I'm feeling this, I'm feeling that what's going on with me? So we've had lots of conversations like that.
Speaker 1:They go both ways absolutely yeah, for all of us and everything we talk about, for sure. So I know, today you know we would love to have you back because you have such a wide knowledge and understanding of a lot of the things, especially like midlife transitions, and so you know we'll have you back over a period of time. But today we're talking about a conversation, a topic that I think can resonate with all of us, and that is the topic of reinventing yourself. So, to kick it off, what does that actually mean?
Speaker 2:Good question. I think it's different for different people, but I, when I look at people who are sort of reinventing themselves, I see it as bigger than just deciding you're going to make a change like a job change, or you're going to change your hair or something like that. Reinventing yourself, to me, is a fundamental shift in how you see yourself, how you live your life, how you look at your goals, all those little daily habits. I think there's just a massive shifting of all of that, which is a little bit deeper than just the small shifts that we make every now and then, you know. So that's how I look at it. I just think it's a deeper change in who you are and how you operate in the world.
Speaker 1:Right, so maybe like a deeper resonance of making a shift or making a change. Yeah, so you know in your experience how would you say these drives or these desires come about for reinvention.
Speaker 2:I think they're different for everybody. I think sometimes there's an external cause to it. I think sometimes losing jobs or having babies or getting married or leaving a marriage or relationship changes in general, I think all those things can cause us to step back and reevaluate a little bit. But I also think sometimes I don't have a better way of saying this but I think sometimes we just get sick of ourselves, you know, like we get sick of our own stories, we get sick of our own excuses, we get sick of living in ways that don't feel like they align, and I think after a while of living that way, we all sort of have this moment where we stop and start to ask ourselves is this what it's going to look like for the rest of my life? And if the answer isn't one that makes you excited, I think sometimes we start to feel like we have to make a bigger change than what we've been doing. If that makes sense, or do it differently maybe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I feel like, you know, culturally, we kind of have this identifier of like midlife crisis and you know, everybody is like, oh, as I enter my 40s, am I going to like what, am I going to implode at this point? But I, I think what you're saying is like this is this this deeper level resonance that we were kind of reflecting what, what and how we're showing up in life to see if that really is authentic to us and and I think that there's probably so many different times and and markers in our life that we kind of do that, maybe subconsciously, um, but I think you're talking about is is really being conscious of something. Here. I'm ready to shift and change into alignment of what's really myself, rather than I'm feeling, you know, like you know I'm questioning things and now I'm going to go and implode my life and see what does it.
Speaker 1:You know, with that, with that kind of, you know, traditional or cultural belief of like a midlife crisis or whatever. So you know, and I think that that can be anything from like people you know, especially coming out of like childhood and being, you know, in their parents' care, then start realizing, you know, I don't know if this like belief really aligns with me, so let me go seek something else. Or, you know, even I think, as women will like you know, I think the funny meme is like you can always tell when a woman's about to go through a breakup because her hair changes drastically. You know, so you know, but I think what you know, what we're going to talk about today, is that feeling of stuckness, where you're kind of reflecting where you are to your authenticity and your own alignment and really making this conscious change or conscious decision to make that change?
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely, and I don't. I do think we talk about it a lot in midlife, but I don't think it's really primarily a midlife thing. I mean, if I look back at pivotal moments in my life, they actually weren't midlife. Because I'm in mid I mean that's where I'm now, and I think there were several of those moments getting here I actually feel like midlife for some of us and I know that's not it's not true across the board, but some of us I think from midlife is actually a settling in a little bit of like oh, you know I, I know who I am now. So I think it can happen at different times of life, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, can happen at different times of life, you know, yeah. So, like from your experience, where do you see people tend to get stuck and how do you kind of start working with them through those blocks?
Speaker 2:There's a lot of those places. Personally, I know a sticky point for me was always feeling like if I make a change, I failed. So I think that like whatever I'm leaving behind was a failure on some level, Um, so I think people are very I think people are very afraid of failure or of being seen as like they failed, um, if that makes sense. So I think that's a sticking point. I think, in general, expectations of the people that are around us are very important not letting people down, or for women.
Speaker 2:I think struggle with this a little bit more of not disappointing people. I think those can be really big sticking points, Um, and I think our own, um let me think about how I want to say this our own definition of who we are can be a sticking point of, like getting out of that box for ourselves, Um, and honestly, a lot of that work, um, which you will be very familiar with, um comes back to a lot of like cognitive retraining, you know of going back and looking at our our self-talk, our internal, like dearly held beliefs, like what are those and are those?
Speaker 2:are those accurate? Can we shift those? Can we question those? Can we? Are those accurate? Can we shift those? Can we question those? Can we look at those differently?
Speaker 1:And I think once that world opens up the world's a little bit your oyster, you know when you yeah yeah, well and I think that's that's a great point is oftentimes that kind of like desire, that percolating of like something isn't aligned here.
Speaker 1:Really, is this drawing our attention to what? What maybe have we taken on that we believed was ours, but may have been our conditioning or a belief system from childhood that was maybe projected upon us, or you know, we start kind of grappling in that stuckness of like yes, but this is what I should want to do or this is what I've told I, you know, I've been told. So it kind of like this like external, like image, versus this internal kind of desire, and so I think that is know, when I work with either treatment resistant or people who, even somatically, they're like something's coming up in my body, whether it's panic or you know some chronic pain, it's like this drawing of their attention to something that maybe they haven't really been consciously you know, really aware of the cognitive belief systems or the mindset that they've been running on that really isn't aligned with their authentic, true self.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so how do you begin like working with that mindset, with clients to, to shift that?
Speaker 2:You know, I always feel like, no matter what you do, awareness is always your first step, right? So I feel like and I'm sure you see this all the time too we all, we all run around all day operating under this chatter, that's happening in our brains and we don't even know what's happening.
Speaker 2:you know, it's just so automatic and it's just there all the time and we don't even we're not aware of what's even happening in our thoughts all day long. So I really feel like some of the biggest shifts that I've seen in clients often happen just like this, like we just happened to be talking about something and I'll catch something that somebody says and I'm like wait, mirroring and hearing it back, and they're like, well, wait a minute, that's not, that's not how I realized I even looked at something. You know, like that awareness can be such a big shift into looking at life differently, cause you didn't even realize you were walking around holding on to this leaf, you know.
Speaker 1:I think that's where it starts is.
Speaker 1:You know, I mean that's a whole, that's a big, you know, catalyst to the work I do with clients is like being in a place that that can pick up your patterns that you are so unaware of.
Speaker 1:In in, in having conversations, you know, where you aren't fully conscious of the things you're saying, but somebody has been trained to pick up on those subconscious patterns and belief systems that you just operate are operating on every single day. And that's why it is really important to, as you kind of come to this process and work with a professional, you know if you're going to the same. You know people that have maybe have been a part of that conditioning or they, you know they find connection with you in that condition they're not going to be able to pick up on those patterns because those patterns are actually things that they operate under too. So it is really important when you are feeling that desire to be in a place that can pick up on the pattern and then mirror that back to you for what it actually is the distortion. So I think that's a very important step, yeah, and it's tricky.
Speaker 2:I think that's a very important step, yeah, and it's tricky. You know, like having people around you that can validate how you feel is wonderful, right, yeah, yeah, having someone that's like I get it. I feel that way too. Those are great things and those are great people to have in your corner. I always, um, my friends. I laugh a little bit because I kind of know who to go to for what, right, like I have those friends that are super like, oh my.
Speaker 2:God, I totally get it and who will just meet me where I am and, you know, love me through it. And then I also have friends that I know when I need to like have a bit of a kick in the butt, like those are the people I need to call. They're going to be like oh my, you got to stop.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, they're like. Let me tell you what I'm hearing.
Speaker 2:Like you're in your head, you're this, you're that, but that mirroring of I'm going to give this back to you and we're going to talk about how that does not fit who you are or where you're going on any level, and let's have a real conversation about that, any level, and let's have a real conversation about that.
Speaker 2:So I think both things are so important and you're right, I think sometimes we get a little bit comfortable being around people who only do the validating part, because having people mirror back something else is uncomfortable, right, and now we've got to do the work, and that's scary yeah.
Speaker 1:Once you see it for what it actually is like, once you see it for its reality, it is really hard to kind of put it back into the box and be like get back in there, right Cause I always tell people I mean, you can like look at it now or you can look at it later, but that box is going to be opened up. And I think I think you're right, you need both. You need a place where you know they're trained to pick up on what is subconsciously being kind of operating your life. And then also the people that you know validate your feelings and are part of your support system, like both of those are important and needed, so that you know, one, supported in in the change that you want to make, and two, that there's a lot of clarity in what that change is from your, from your own authority and your own authenticity. So, yeah, so you know, knowing that like shifting that mindset and like seeing it for what it actually is.
Speaker 1:You know, and from the therapeutic model we say, you know, oftentimes that's a reality distortion or it's a cognitive distortion and it really is about shifting it back into what's going to really kind of propel you to the change that you want. But, like you said, sometimes people are kind of like, oh, I don't know if I want to see that or I don't know if I'm ready to make that change. So, yeah, how do you support clients that maybe feel, like you know, resistant to that change? Maybe they feel like it's too late, or you know it's going to disrupt other relationships or they're afraid of like even putting themselves out there. So there's a little bit of that like avoidance as a defense mechanism, like what. How do you support clients through that?
Speaker 2:I mean, I think we all make change in our own time, right? So I think if someone's not ready to make a change, that's okay, you know, like we don't. There's no, there is no timeline, and I I do think people get very worried about that. I've been worried about that at different points in my life that it's too late to do something. I'm a firm believer and I have to come back and remind myself of this over and over again that if we are here and we are still living and breathing and doing that, we're not late.
Speaker 2:I mean, there's there's still life to be lived so we can make changes at any point.
Speaker 2:But I also think that if we're not ready, then maybe there's a reason we're not ready, right.
Speaker 2:So there's something that we still need to do some work on, or there's maybe some restructuring in our support system or in the way our life works that needs to happen, to open up the space for that change to happen. And that may not be something that can change right now. You know, I mean for me, if I think about it as a mom, um, there are changes that maybe I would like to make that just aren't going to happen right in this moment, because it's summer and my kids are home and there's just a lot going on. So maybe if right now I was thinking about making a massive change, today might not be the day, and that's okay, but like we can still talk about it and prep for it and talk about the pros and cons and problem solve and then at some point, when I know this is the time, then we can make that change. Right, I think the danger it's a little bit of a double-edged sword, because I think we can also say it's not the right time forever.
Speaker 1:So that's, yeah, that's avoidant.
Speaker 2:So, like there's also a point right, when, hopefully, someone around you or you have to look at yourself and be like it's never going to be perfect, right, like the stars are never going to align at exactly the right place, like sometimes we just need to step out of it and do it. And that's tough, you know, and that requires some bravery, which can be challenging, and that's another place to talk through and work on, you know, and that requires some bravery, which can be challenging, and that's another place to talk through and work on, you know.
Speaker 1:I examine that, yeah, and I, and I think that you know it's important for you know the listeners and the viewers to understand, like if you're in a place of stuckness and you're going to see a professional to kind of work through this feeling of stuckness, like if they if they are, you know, a really, you know solid practitioner. They don't have skin in the game of your change. They're just there to be a place of reflection for you and to support you when you're ready. Like, like you said, if there's a place where you know change is really like hard but you still desire it, there's something there that is ready to grow and to be, to be curated into knowledge, but it might take more time.
Speaker 1:I know for myself, like when I have felt really stuck in something, I feel like I'm at this threshold where it's like this is where I am and this is where I want to be. What I've experienced is oftentimes that feeling and this is where I want to be. What I've experienced is oftentimes that feeling of stuckness is is really the space where I'm gaining more clarity on what direction I go.
Speaker 1:Because, just like you know, one side of the spectrum you can be avoidant.
Speaker 1:On the other side of the spectrum you can be chaotically changing.
Speaker 1:I'm going to go in this direction and then now I'm going to, you know I'm going to be like I'm going to be an influencer and now, nope, now I'm going to be a, you know, intuitive healer and, like you, can have this like kind of almost trial and error through change, and that's actually the opposite of like avoidance through change, and that's actually the opposite of like avoidance. It's this chaotic, you know, trying on different things to see what sticks, because you're actually not listening and stilling yourself enough to learn. Through that stuckness it's like, oh, I hate the feeling of being stuck, so let me just out there and and and do stuff so that I can see what feels right, versus let me stay in this threshold to gain more wisdom around it. And that's something I've kind of own experiences to like when that feeling of stuck is there, be in the spaces to hear what maybe that old story is or that old mindset that needs to kind of be re-examined so that the true authentic mindset, the true authentic self will be. What steps through it?
Speaker 1:So I think that's an important distinction and that going to places with professionals hopefully they're not pressuring you to do that change now. That shouldn't be happening in those spaces, but you know, I know in some places it can. But knowing that you know, as practitioners, we we don't have these timelines for our clients. We're just there to be a reflected space of what, what it is that we're hearing in terms of those patterns.
Speaker 2:You reminded me of a passage that I read sometimes at the end of a yoga class, and I don't remember the whole thing, but there's a piece in it that says as many times as I catch myself barreling forward without even knowing where I'm going, that many times I can stop and breathe.
Speaker 2:and recenter and tap into the system is essentially where it goes. But when you were talking about it, it brought me back to the place where I feel like a lot of people skip because again, it's hard and it's uncomfortable. But that mindfulness piece of like stepping back, connecting back into our heart space, into our bodies, and just being aware of what's going on right now, whatever it may be, and letting that intuition and that wisdom guide you, versus just this ping pong action of I feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 2:So I just need to go do something to fix that uncomfortable feeling rather than just sitting with it and being curious about what that is, and then, once we've worked through that, making a choice from a wise place to take this next step, which is very, very different energy.
Speaker 1:It is very different, different energy, and I think that even comes back to the topic of like. Is this really reinventing yourself? Or is, through that process of stillness, listening? Is it coming back to self and coming back to that authentic, you know, true self that probably has always been there but has learned through all the different phases of of our lives? Like I, I tell my partner all the time I'm like I feel like I've lived a thousand lives already, that's for sure, right, I'm like wow, like what, how am I, you know, only at this place, like at this age, I feel like I've lived a thousand lives. But you know really that reinventing self is coming back to hear what's really actually within you, which you know. Sometimes that stillness is uncomfortable and people will avoid it. Or sometimes that stillness is uncomfortable and people will go out there and chaotically try to look externally for who they should be.
Speaker 2:So, it's.
Speaker 1:It's an interesting spectrum of of how that stillness can be super uncomfortable.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, but so important because I think I think it's imperative and in our world I increasingly, and probably more so than we've ever been, I think we're just so disconnected from ourselves, right, like we're on our phones 24 hours a day. Um, we are getting bombarded with news and drama and all I mean we are constantly externally focused, always.
Speaker 2:So I think we're so disconnected from and even you know, and then you get into social media and the comparisons and who's doing what and who looks like what and all those things and we just we lose that connection to what do I actually want, not what is the world telling me I should want, but what do? I want Coming back home to. That can be really powerful for a lot of people.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I think it's interesting how much clarity we can get after we sit through that discomfort of stillness and allow whatever to kind of come up. And I know, like people talk about meditation and how it's just not for them and I'm actually, you know, with chronic ADD, like I'm definitely somebody who it takes a while for things the chatter that doesn't matter to kind of come and go then be able to really access that stillness, but it is so important. So if somebody is listening right now and or if they're watching and they're like I don't even know where to begin in this process, I have this, like you know, deep feeling, something resonating, that I'm just ready for this shift. You know, I feel like I'm in here but I'm not out in that world. How did they begin to take that first step today?
Speaker 2:So I actually steal this from another coach that you and I both have spent some time watching. But she does a journaling exercise, sort of a meditation to a certain degree, about creating this vision of yourself right For her. She does more business and money stuff, so she talks about sort of the wealthy woman mindset. I talk a little bit more in my coaching about what does a healthy woman look like for you, but depending on what change you make, that could be defined differently. But I think it's really important to sit down quietly, take some breaths, be in a space that feels good and comfortable and just start to really, really visualize who is this person.
Speaker 2:Five years down the road, 10 years down the road that I want to be, and I think it's bigger. And I have clients that really struggle with doing this because they'll give me back this like, well, she's 10 pounds lighter and she, um, you know, makes a several thousand dollars more per paycheck and that's it. And I want you to go deeper. I want to know in the morning, when you first hit consciousness, like your eyes haven't even opened yet, you're just waking up in bed. What do you hear? What do you feel? What's going on around you? I want you to get deep into who is this person, you know, like what?
Speaker 2:what does her life look like? What or she or he? I work primarily with women, so I always say, um, what do I do when I get up? How am I feeling about that? What am I seeing? I mean just a real vision of if I embody who it is I want to to be. What does that look like? And I think from there the goals come very easily. Right, because now we've stepped in, we've felt it, and now I can look at that and say, okay, well, the first step, or you work with someone, the first step to even inching towards that would be what? And then we start moving from there. But I think, again, talking about that like barreling forward, not even knowing where I'm going, I think that first step is what is it that I am actually wanting? What does that?
Speaker 2:look like from my own eye view, not from anybody else, you know and then I think that starts to unfold very naturally from there.
Speaker 1:So I think that's going to be a really good part too is how to embody that, that I, that ideal, authentic self, because I think that is such a difficult concept for people to grasp. But when you actually understand it and put it into just a bite-sized action, it does start unfolding very easily. It's that first step and again, like change, change actually manifests itself if we take that very inspired action consistently. So maybe embodiment, like it's this one facet of that, of that future self that you embody that day that actually gets the, the ball rolling into that change. But it's, it's this change step, but it feels like this when you don't understand it. So I would love to bring you on to talk more about, like mindful embodiment of that, that visualization of your future self.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's actually kind of like that, that self's here today. It just doesn't know how to take that first step.
Speaker 2:So would that be something you'd be interested in coming on and helping process?
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's do it, that'd be great. Yeah, so is there anything else you would like to share with our listeners or viewers around reinventing yourself or coming back to your truest self? Anything else you'd like to share?
Speaker 2:You know, I think I think what I have always taken from big changes, I mean starting in college. I clearly remember the day I went to college to be a teacher and I clearly remember the day I had to call home and tell them that I don't know what I was thinking. I did not want to be a teacher and we had gone through like a whole year of college. At this point, that was not what I wanted to do and, looking back on that moment, that felt like such a crisis and like I could be completely upending my whole life and making the wrong decision. And I think now, being in my forties and looking back and seeing multiples of those changes happen, you really I mean, don't get me wrong. We can make mistakes, of course, but I don't think we ever really screw it up. Do you know what I mean? Like there's always 95% of the time, if we've made a bad choice, it's fixable.
Speaker 1:So I think Right, and it's part of the lessons we're here to learn, right, it's part of the wisdom we're bringing. But I have to say I don't think I ever knew that you went to school as an education major. That is hilarious, I have to tell the listeners and the viewers. Like Kristen and I met when I was in grad school over a common you know thing that we were both interested in, and we met each other and it was like, oh hi, I'm Christine, I'm Kristen. Oh, oh, I, you know, enjoy this hobby. Oh, me too. Oh, I was, I'm, you know, I'm a psychologist. I was like, oh, I'm in grad school for to become a therapist. It was the funniest thing for us to kind of. So now I know we both went into our undergrads as education majors too.
Speaker 2:I actually ended up teaching, but you're uh, no, no, I didn't make it out of undergrad. I didn't make it out of the first year before.
Speaker 1:I was like.
Speaker 2:this is not for me at all, but that was terrifying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Terrifying to be like, even at that age, yeah, like at that age, probably like 19 years old, 1920 being like how you know this isn't right for me, but how do I like, how do I securely change from here? And you know like I was talking to you, you had a support system and understanding. You know family members that would like do it. But yeah, even at that point, feeling that stuckness and fear of failure or fear of what that's going to bring, you know it's across the lifespan.
Speaker 2:So yeah, but I think it's important for us to remember that, like it's life, like we're, most of the time, we are not going to screw it up so royally that like we can't come back from it.
Speaker 1:It's going to be okay.
Speaker 2:You know, uh, most of the time I mean yeah. So I just think sometimes that can be very comforting. I wish that I had realized that back at 19, because I would have been significantly less stressed out that it's really going to be okay. So I think that that's an important thing to carry with you if you are starting to think about making a change in life.
Speaker 1:you know you know, and I think that as a collective like we feel so much more seen and heard and witnessed went by somebody who we know has had challenges that would look like a failure or would look like it was a huge mistake, but navigated that to have wisdom. Like we kind of want to go to those places and those people that we know has had that experience of deep change so they can witness us in there. So, you know, I always say you know the people who have had the failures and the mistakes and yet you see them in a, in a place today. Those are kind of the people that they understand something about that depth and they're that's really their gift to share, you know, with the world, so as you're in it yourself, knowing that, ooh, there's going to be something here that I'm going to be able to share with other people you know, and not look much from a place of fear, but of of learning and growth.
Speaker 2:So yeah, yeah, a hundred percent yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, I am so excited to have you today. I know we're going to have a part two because, as you were talking about that, I was like you know what that is, such a concept we could break down and really help people understand how to do that, because I know when I talk to clients about that they're like what do you mean so far? But again, it comes from that stillness, right, it comes from being in that stillness to hear it. So I'm so excited to have you on today. I have, I have to tell you all, like in having Kristen in my life and just being able to talk to her about my own stuff, have time and spaces where we, you know kind of process through what's going on in our lives.
Speaker 1:She is just a wealth of knowledge, of understanding, of care, and she is just amazing to work with. So we're going to put all of her platforms that you can find her on. Any additional links that she would like to share will be down there in the bio and description. So thank you, kristen, for joining us today and for sharing with us. We can't wait to have you back. Of course, I loved being here.
Speaker 2:Thank you for having me, and I am looking forward to doing it again. And, by the way, it is no surprise that we are.
Speaker 1:you and I would talk and then get to a place where we have to talk more, I know, because that is very us, but then run out of time right? Yes, exactly. All run out of time, right? Yes, exactly All right. Friends, thank you for joining us today and we'll see you next time on. Thank you.
